Topic: Alexander the Great was a Slav from Yugoslavia
Pyro Undocumented Worker
Posted 3/7/2010 10:43 am
Macedonians are one of the 230 known ancient Greek Hellenic groups tribes and kingdoms, in the same way that the Spartans, Athenians, Corinthians, Thessalians etc are integral to the Greek Hellenic Collective of peoples as a whole. Hellenic Tribes: http://my.raex.com/~obsidian/soubalk2.html
What is it with Albanians Yugoslavs Celts and Other ignorant lowly educated people wanting Alexander the Great
for their ancestor ?
Alexander the Great was Greek Hellenic, the Overwhelming material evidence proves it beyond a resonable doubt!
Posted 3/7/2010 11:02 am
Only in the minds of some sick and twisted vulgar yugoslavs, do they equate themselves to alexander the great and the ancient macedonians.
Just because 1200 years ago, a bunch of sick and twisted vulgar yugoslavs wandered into greek imperial teritory and setup their camps, pitched their
tents, pissed on the grass then called it home, don't mean they are macedonian, right! They are still sick and twisted vulgar yugoslavs right!
These Fyromian ex-Yugoslavs should choose a slavic name for themselves, not a Greek Hellenic name.
Posted 3/7/2010 11:24 am
On November 4, 2004, two days after the re-election of ex-President George W. Bush, his administration unilaterally recognized FYRoM as the “Republic of Macedonia” totally disregarding World Academia and Balkan political history.
Macedonia(n) is a Greek Hellenic Name....This is an Academic Reference Point.
The Name Macedonia(n) when used refers to Greek Hellenic people....by default.
The Advisors to ex-President Bush issued poor, sub-standard, ill thought out, flawed Advice, they totally disregarded the teachings of World Academia, they went ahead with recognition at the expense of upsetting Greece, a staunch and loyal long time member of Nato. These Advisors based their poor, substandard and ill thought out Advice on flawed political and geo-political strategic considerations which today are No Longer Applicable.
Human rights and the rights of modern people to self express as they wish is no longer considered viable or even appropriate in the face of strong academic arguments in favour of the rights of existing indigenous autochthonous peoples which already use that Macedonia(n) name in the regional geographic context.
The People of FYRoM declaring themselves as Macedeonians is Wrong, problematic and confusing, Macedonians already exist, they are Greeks and they have been residing in that same region Identifying themselves as Macedonians [Greeks] since time immemorial.
FYRoM has a Choice......Choose a Name which Properly Reflects the reality, a Name which Distinguishes SlavMacedonians from GreekMacedonians. The Differences between the Two are Considerable, for Instance:
GreekMacedonians are the modern heirs and Inheritors of the Hellenic legacy, which Includes Alexander the Great and the Ancient Macedonians of Antiquity. World Academia (The World Body of Knowledge) Endorses and Supports the Greekness of the Macedonians.
FYRoM has to differentiate itself from Hellenism by using a Prefix / Suffix in their New Name.....This is what the Greeks are asking for, this is what global politicians are expecting and This is what the world is waiting for!
The Administartion of George W Bush shafted the Greeks for no other reason than to teach the Greeks a lesson, to put them in their place for not towing the line, for being maverick, following their own political agenda and not seen to be part of the team [Nato]. George W Bush shafted the Greeks but Colin Powell was the front man, he sanctioned the mistake, the blunder which shall go down in recorded history as such, with his name along side it!
Posted 3/7/2010 12:35 pm
No serious minded scholar would put at risk his / her's academic credibility and integrity arguing against the ancient Macedonians Greek Hellenic credentials, similarly no serious minded politician would put at risk his / her's political credibility and integrity arguing against the teachings of world academia [The World Body of Knowledge].
The slavic countries should seriously consider the quality of their teachings on ancient european history, in europe we must all be on the same page, we can not have a situation where the slavic countries are teaching their pupils and students Alexander the Great was a southernslav, when the rest of europe teach within the boundaries of recorded and established mainstream norms.
Alexander the Great's Greek Hellenic credentials remian sealed locked tight, the slavs should look elsewhere to search for their ethno roots and origins. Contaminating ancient european history with perverse distortions of the mainstream norms is plainly silly pretentious and farcicle!
Religion is fake, invented 1967 by the communist party of Yugoslavia. Their church remains unrecognized. They advertise themselves as christian orthodox europeans but side with musulman turks against europe.
Language is fake, invented 1944 by the communist's.
Their language is a Serbianized form of Bulgarian. It is a Slavic language they call it "macedonian" when all educated people know that the ancient macedonians spoke greek.
Nationality is fake, created 1945 by the communist's.
They were Vardaskans first, then they got RENAMED to
socialist republic of Macedonia in 1945.
I know Slavs, they are very deceptive and dishonest, as if they could pull the wool over academic eyes, everybody knows that greece has recofnised historic rights over the ancient region of macedonia.
Why southslavs want the name "macedonia" for ethnic use, language use and nationality use smacks a bit suspicious to me, they want to claim the ancient macedonians for the slav race so they can dress up like ancient macedonians and march in falanx style just like the ancient greeks did.
Posted 3/7/2010 1:51 pm
In its earliest history, Macedonia was ruled by the Bulgars and the Byzantines, who began a long tradition of rivalry over that territory.
Slavs invaded and settled Byzantine Macedonia late in the sixth century, and in A.D. 679 the Bulgars, a Turkic steppe people, crossed into the Balkans and directly encountered the Byzantine Empire. The Bulgars commingled with the more numerous Slavs and eventually abandoned their Turkic mother tongue in favor of the Slavic language."
"After World War II, the Yugoslav government recognized Macedonian nationhood and established a separate republic, energetically nurturing Macedonian national consciousness and the Macedonian language.
The first standardized Macedonian grammar was published in 1948. Federal support for Macedonian cultural institutions, including a university in Skopje, furthered the program of national recognition.
In 1967 Belgrade underscored the Macedonians' ethnic individuality by supporting the independence of the Macedonian Orthodox Church, which for years afterward enjoyed a more favored position than any of Yugoslavia's other churches."
Posted 3/7/2010 3:02 pm
I hate Serbs more than the most hard core group of Taliban. Literally I cannot be in the same room as anyone claiming to be Slav/Serbian.
Posted 3/7/2010 3:28 pm
FYRoM's rogue scholar's and pseudo-historians had limited success persuading the global community that they are in fact the real Macedonians. Most learned people associate real Macedonians with Greeks.
FYRoM however, has successfully persuade and convince a great number of it's own people, both at home and abroad [diaspora] that they have historic rights to that name and rights to the heritage associated with that name.
From a global perspective, the ignorant and the apathetic tend to show outward support, they sympathize with FYRoM's point of view, however the learned and the scholarly can see right through FYRoM's pretentious stance.
The problem for FYRoM is this...the longer the name dispute continues, the sympathy and the support dwindle away. After almost two decades the global community have become learned and scholarly, more so than before about the name [Macedonia] and it's Greek Hellenic history.
The global community have witnessed first hand the depths to which FYRoM's politicians are prepared to stoop in order to persuade and convince the outside world of their Macedonian [false] credentials.
The immoral usage of it's institutions of state, used as tools for the promotion of virulent and vehement propaganda directed towards a neighbouring country has not gone unnoticed.
Most learned people remain unconvinced, they have a right to be suspicious, they do not understand the reasons or the motives, why a NoN Greek people would even want to contemplate the use of a Greek Hellenic name for Ethnicity, Language and Nationality.
FYRoM uses the Macedonian Name Under False Pretenses......Today's Greeks can Prove This at any Legal Setting.
Posted 3/7/2010 4:22 pm
FYRoM's pretentious usage of the "Macedonian" name for ethnicity use, language use and nationality use, is becoming increasingly untenable. FYRoM can no longer justify or defend the usage of that name without causing conflict at various levels.
FYRoM's rogue scholar's and pseudo historians went ahead and "scripted" themselves a history so inept and so grossly inconsistant and incompatible with the mainstream norm, it inevitably met with stern academic resistance from the international academic fraternity. The coming together of a substantial number of international scholar's to form a loose academic grouping, a politicized unit, ready and willing to speak with one voice in defence of the virtues and importance of academic reference points, put first, above and beyond those of flawed ill thought out political considerations, has irked global politicians at the highest echelons of diplomatic office and with good reason. Academic clout shall ensure that academia's reference points are preserved, ill thought out, flawed political considerations shall not ride roughshod over academia's reference points for the sake of promoting political expediancy.
FYRoM's positions remain untenable, the global academic community are not persuaded and neither are they convinced enough to support FYRoM's stance, they do not understand FYRoM's reasons or motives, why a NoN Greek people would even want to contemplate the use of a Greek Hellenic name for Ethnicity, Language and Nationality use. Suspicions are rife, with many analyst's citing communist era reasons and motives influencing FYRoM's aims and policies in the region.
One thing is for certain, global politicians remain adamant, FYRoM must find a suitable name for itself, in order to fulfill it's aspirations of joining the prestigious economic and security structures of the E.U. and Nato.
FYRoM uses the Macedonian Name Under False Pretenses......The global community can see right through it!
