And the whole premise of why bodies cannot be removed is that to do so would put the mover at risk, right?
Not true, whenever possible, they (a climbing crew made up of mostly sherpas) remove bodies all the time. They're paid by the bigger expedition companies.
i don't believe that at all, there are many instances where aid could mean all the difference.
also, any guide who's so removed from humanity that he would pass by a person in need, isn't worth the air he's breathing anyhow.
Any guide who's so incompetent that he would endanger his customers trying to help someone who's essentially already dead should be stripped nekkid and left behind as birdfood.
I try to do a fourteener or two a year, and it kicks my ass. You have to experience what the elevation does to your body to believe it (and I live at 6000').
Mt Everest is more than 29,000 feet.
Everybody knows that you might die there, that's part of the allure. If people were responsible for the welfare of every yuppie living their dream but having trouble, nobody would ever get to the top again.
Consider These assholes and their Personal Locator Beacons:
Any guide who's so incompetent that he would endanger his customers trying to help someone who's essentially already dead should be stripped nekkid and left behind as birdfood.
you're making assumptions. you're assuming he would put his customers in danger, that isn't true. you're assuming he's essentially dead, that isn't always true.
so what? this is what is so fucked about the world now, nobody cares about anyone but themselves.
Mountain climbing is funny (not haha, but makes you think). It's a battle against yourself. You can turn around at any point that you feel your body failing or you see a real risk (e.g. weather)- I have a couple of times- and eliminate the risk. Or you can keep going when you know you shouldn't and face your own consequences of your own actions.
I like to think that I help people when I can, but people pushing past their limits are digging their own grave. Am I to forcefully move them, kicking and screaming, down the mountain?
They consciously chose to do something where they knew they might die, and they failed. This isn't walking through a mall and seeing somebody clutching their chest where we (well, some of us) would help- this is somebody who kept going knowing that this is the result, and you're doing the same.
so what? this is what is so fucked about the world now, nobody cares about anyone but themselves.
Right, the person climbing mr everest doesn't care about anyone but themselves. They went up there unprepared financially and physically, fucked up and expect people to save them for free.
Posted 3/14/2010 2:25 am
Why don't they just kick them off the side and let their stiff bodies sled to the bottom.
Homer Simpson successfully did this in episode 23 of season 9 "King of the Hill" He used the frozen stiff body of C.W. McAllister who was betrayed by Abraham "Grandpa" Simpson on a similar climb and left for dead.
Right, the person climbing mr everest doesn't care about anyone but themselves. They went up there unprepared financially and physically, fucked up and expect people to save them for free.
you don't know any of this. but, if i see you dying on the side of the road, i'll be sure to spit on you and drive away muttering "he brought it on himself".
Right, the person climbing mr everest doesn't care about anyone but themselves. They went up there unprepared financially and physically, fucked up and expect people to save them for free.
you don't know any of this. but, if i see you dying on the side of the road, i'll be sure to spit on you and drive away muttering "he brought it on himself".
you don't think people who climb everest are selfish? They only go up there for fame and their egos. A lot of people driving on the road are just going about their daily lives trying to get to work or home or whatever, not for ego or fame.
seconded. nowhere on earth is it ever cold enough to instantly freeze, even if you were naked. if it was you obviously couldn't go there in the first place.
Double-amputee climber Mark Inglis revealed in an interview with the press on 23 May 2006,[47] that his climbing party, and many others, had passed a distressed climber, David Sharp, on 15 May, sheltering under a rock overhang 450 metres below the summit, without attempting a rescue. The revelation sparked wide debate on climbing ethics, especially as applied to Everest. The climbers who left him said that the rescue efforts would have been useless and only have caused more deaths. Much of this controversy was captured by the Discovery Channel while filming the television program Everest: Beyond the Limit. A crucial decision affecting the fate of Sharp is shown in the program, where an early returning climber (Max Chaya) is descending and radios to his base camp manager (Russell Brice) that he has found a climber in distress. He is unable to identify Sharp, who had chosen to climb solo without any support and so did not identify himself to other climbers. The base camp manager assumes that Sharp is part of a group that has abandoned him, and informs his climber that there is no chance of him being able to help Sharp. As Sharp's condition deteriorates through the day and other descending climbers pass him, his opportunities for rescue diminish: his legs and feet curl from frostbite, preventing him from walking; the later descending climbers are lower on oxygen and lack the strength to offer aid; time runs out for any Sherpas to return and rescue him. Most importantly, Sharp's decision to forgo all support leaves him with no margin for recovery.
As this debate raged, on 26 May, Australian climber Lincoln Hall was found alive, after being declared dead the day before. He was found by a party of four climbers (Dan Mazur, Andrew Brash, Myles Osborne and Jangbu Sherpa) who, giving up their own summit attempt, stayed with Hall and descended with him and a party of 11 Sherpas sent up to carry him down. Hall later fully recovered. Similar actions have been recorded since, including on 21 May 2007, when Canadian climber Meagan McGrath initiated the successful high-altitude rescue of Nepali Usha Bista.